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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Feb 20, 2011 4:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Tonight's GD (trivia) question

Soon after they introduced St. Stephen, the boys had paired it with The Eleven, using the William Tell bridge (hey, Tell!). I can think of just one time that they segued from St Stephen > William Tell, without going into The Eleven. Are there others? Or to frame it as a trivia question, can you name at least one time they did that?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 20, 2011 4:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD (trivia) question

4/5/69 they shoot right from the Willaim Tell Bridge into Lovelight...

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Feb 20, 2011 7:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD (trivia) question

Thanks, Cliff--that and the one I'm thinking of make two.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 21, 2011 7:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD (trivia) question

4/17/69 St. Louis, the William Tell bridges into Lovelight.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Feb 21, 2011 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD (trivia) question

That's the one I was thinking of, so I'm thinking maybe there were just the two. I wonder what was on their minds those nights. Did they intend when they started the William Tell bridge to go into Lovelight after, or was it a whim?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 21, 2011 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD (trivia) question

I don't know but wouldn't these two instances be a valid arguement that the William Tell passage is actually a part of St. Stephen and not The Eleven?

Are there any instances of the Willam Tell Bridge into The Eleven not segueing out of St. Stephen?

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Feb 21, 2011 8:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD (trivia) question

Absolutely - never thought there was any doubt about it.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 21, 2011 8:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD (trivia) question

I agree. I personally don't think that there is any doubt about the William Tell Bridge being part of St. Stephen. This is also confirmed by Robert Hunter's book of lyrics "Box of Rain" However the theory that the passage was actually part of the Eleven has been suggested...



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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Feb 21, 2011 8:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD (trivia) question

The track break on Live Dead (original LP as well as CD reissue) occurs after William Tell, thus including it in with St Stephen. Also, both the St Stephen and William Tell on Live Dead come from 2-27, while The Eleven comes from 1-26.

That said, track breaks on commercial releases of St Stephen > The Eleven are all over the map--many occurring only with the transition to the 11-beat rhythm. That makes sense given the title, but it doesn't match the break on Live Dead, nor does it really make sense musically, IMO.

I always have and always will think of WT as part of The Eleven just because it strikes me as the beginning of something new rather than the end of St Stephen, and the transition into the jam that becomes The Eleven has such a great energy. Also, they only ever played it those two times without The Eleven, which means they never played it again after they stopped playing The Eleven, even though they played St Stephen frequently. Not much of an argument, I know, but it works for me.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 21, 2011 6:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tonight's GD (trivia) question

Hey Lou! No help here--I couldn't recall the one CLIFF mentions, though 4-5 is an old fav...here's a variation on that theme: how many times did they go from StSt to DS (ie, the "opposite" direction)?



The answer is zero, I think (unless they did it in the post 71 era?), but on the mystery disks with the ~ Jun 68 "stand alone" versions of StSt, there is one that closes with the opening chords to DS, but they don't end up "going there" (sorry, been so long since I heard it can't recall specifics, and I may even be "wrong", but there are two StSt, on disk 4 of the "68 mystery disks", one of the last entries for the year, here at the LMA; it's on one of those...no bridge, mine or otherwise, on those amazing early versions of the tune).